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Re: Racism shortens lives and hurts health of blacks by promoting genes that lead to inflammation and illness

Post by JAF » Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:13 pm

tck62 wrote:
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It would appear it's just more and more people are trying to blame racism when it's really economic inequality that is at play, the 1% has a vested interest in steering us into race based assumptions instead of economic based recognition's in case Go forbid the public starts insisting we bring back our labor unions and crack down on the foreign workers.

"The Forces Driving Middle-Aged White People's 'Deaths Of Despair'

'In a follow-up to their groundbreaking 2015 work, they say that a lack of steady, well-paying jobs for whites without college degrees has caused pain, distress and social dysfunction to build up over time. The mortality rate for that group, ages 45 to 54, increased by a half percent each year from 1999 to 2013."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... of-despair

Sorry JAF it's not the skin color it's the lack of green. The folks with green sure want us to think it's skin color based so we don't try to take their green by forcing them to raise the paltry wages they've been paying that is leading to the poor health outcomes we've chronicled above.

The sooner we can throw off the corporate propaganda steering us to see race and get all the poor Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, Asians and Natives to look around and see we're all riding in the same boat the better.
"The strongest evidence to date points to social-environmental factors such as poverty, health care inequities and racism."

The author does include poverty in the mix.

Ok so let's say for arguments sake, I agree with you on it being socio-economic differences at the Crux
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Racism contributes to the economic disparity. Black men with the same qualifications and experience still get paid less than their white counterparts. It cycles around and around, the two, racism, and the poverty gap, are inextricably linked.

https://www.payscale.com/data/racial-wage-gap-for-men
"The uncontrolled pay gap at each job level is largest for Black or African American men, whereas Asian men continue to earn more than White men at each job level. Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander men also see higher pay over White men at the individual contributor levels when controlling for employment characteristics."

This is from your link. If Asian's earn more than Whites and Whites earn more than Blacks then why are we being steered into concentrating on just Blacks and Whites instead of wondering what the Asians are doing to achieve at a higher level than Whites and Blacks?
The text in the link also states that the study group is college graduates, not the wider community. Therefore, the data is examining a group of middle-class people with access to college who are upper-level hires.

Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander men see a higher pay over White men "when controlling for employment characteristics". In the context of the information given, that qualifier is important for the information that comes after. Which in simple terms is that stretching the argument to the best-case scenario for all control groups, Blacks still come in dead last.

Yes, Asians in America have long been considered the model of the minority groups, however, the text of that article does not evidence the statement you have made.



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Re: Racism shortens lives and hurts health of blacks by promoting genes that lead to inflammation and illness

Post by JAF » Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:17 pm

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Scientists have searched for genetic causes to health disparities between blacks and whites but have had limited success. The strongest evidence to date points to social-environmental factors such as poverty, health care inequities and racism.
I suspect that the author/psychologist knows his article was full of shyte. But he had to do it because he knew it would get attention and thus give him exposure.

In the article he named them...poverty and healthcare inequalities. If racism is a factor from the 3, it’s a distant third.

Blacks do tend to be poorer which limits their food choices to less meat and vegetables and more grains and procesesed food. If the problem is inflammation well there it is. That’s your problem right there.

I don’t know why but I suspect the more secure you are financially the more you care about your diet and nutrition. I could be reaching here. This has been my experience but age might play a factor too.
Therefore I suspect you can point out and dispute the points in the research that the author got wrong. ;)

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Re: Racism shortens lives and hurts health of blacks by promoting genes that lead to inflammation and illness

Post by GuideToACrazyWorld » Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:19 pm

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We could talk about Aboriginal Australians, the same disparities exist. Canadian Aboriginals, same. British West Indians, same disparities in standard of living indicators.

Unless of course, I am not interpreting your comment correctly.
I think in this case you are. But in this case it's slightly different. The vast majorities of Aboriginal Australians(as an example) live in Australia. So there isn't a lot of world wide data to conflict what we see from them in Australia. With black people there is world wide data, and what we see is that what holds true in the US population does not hold true world wide. One might assume that if Aboriginal Austrians were less concentrated the same would hold true, but we can't really say for sure. It's still pretty good evidence of the point of the OP. Or at least the point that the causes of most of these issues are not genetic.

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Re: Racism shortens lives and hurts health of blacks by promoting genes that lead to inflammation and illness

Post by tck62 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:21 pm

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He said Blacks on average had a genetic advantage that makes them better athletes. It's one of those common knowledge things we can't talk about.
I don't think it's a "common knowledge" thing, perhaps one of those things that people assume without giving a lot of thought to the full picture.

Gary Sailes has been exploring this question for decades, in one of this first published articles he writes "What accounts for the overwhelming successs of the Black athelete in American sport in the past few decades? This is a very legitimate question to raise about the sports world today, in that Black Americans constitute only 12% of the population in the United States yet are overrepresented in collegiate and professional sport. For example, Black athelets represent 21% of professional baseball players, 73% of the athletes participating in the National Basketball Association, and 57% of athletes participating in the National Football League (Coakley, 1990). In major college sports, approximately 60% of the basketball players and 37% of the football players are Black (American Institutes for Research, 1990). However, white this is true, the converse is also true. Blacks are scarcely represented in the intercollegiate or professional sports of tennis, golf, and ice hockey, or in Olympic skiing, gymnastics, and figure skating.

Many researchers and authors have attempted to explain this phenomenon from a number of scientific perspectives. The most revealing and credible explanations emanate from sports sociologists. They claim that specific socialization patterns that include a lack of Black role models, inadequate coaching, absent or inadequate facilities, and the presence of institutionalized discrimination and racisim may prevent many Blacks from participating in some sports, forcing them to aggregate their numbers in those sports where these barriers are not present and where sports are housed in public facilities and are susidized by public funding (Coakley, 1990)."
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2784690?se ... b_contents

Sailes writes elsewhere that some Black athletes have a physiological advantage over some White athletes, however, such does not hold true across the board and the measured advantage is negligible, and not existant without nurturing and proper training.
JAF it's just basic geography and evolution, physical anthropology explains it rather well. Eskimos have adapted overtime to have short stocky bodies that retain heat, while many sub-Saharan Africans developed tall and slender bodies, this genetic predisposition simply means there will be more tall and athletic Black people with generational traits coming from this area of the world and that we will probably never have an Eskimo in the NBA.

So far as the NFL there's another factor that is uncomfortable to talk about. For hundreds of years slaves were purposely bred, the largest and strongest were chosen to bred with each other to create stronger workers and their genes have been passed down to their descendants.

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Re: Racism shortens lives and hurts health of blacks by promoting genes that lead to inflammation and illness

Post by JAF » Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:41 pm

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JAF it's just basic geography and evolution, physical anthropology explains it rather well. Eskimos have adapted overtime to have short stocky bodies that retain heat, while many sub-Saharan Africans developed tall and slender bodies, this genetic predisposition simply means there will be more tall and athletic Black people with generational traits coming from this area of the world and that we will probably never have an Eskimo in the NBA.

So far as the NFL there's another factor that is uncomfortable to talk about. For hundreds of years slaves were purposely bred, the largest and strongest were chosen to bred with each other to create stronger workers and their genes have been passed down to their descendants.
So African Americans were only "bred" to participate in sports where certain "barriers are not present and where sports are housed in public facilities and are susidized by public funding".

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Post by tck62 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:49 pm

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So African Americans were only "bred" to participate in sports where certain "barriers are not present and where sports are housed in public facilities and are susidized by public funding".
You're impossible, they weren't "bred" for sports, this was hundreds of years ago, it's just a kind of good karma for the hell their ancestors went through.

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Re: Racism shortens lives and hurts health of blacks by promoting genes that lead to inflammation and illness

Post by JAF » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:00 pm

GuideToACrazyWorld wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:19 pm
JAF wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:30 pm
We could talk about Aboriginal Australians, the same disparities exist. Canadian Aboriginals, same. British West Indians, same disparities in standard of living indicators.

Unless of course, I am not interpreting your comment correctly.
I think in this case you are. But in this case it's slightly different. The vast majorities of Aboriginal Australians(as an example) live in Australia. So there isn't a lot of world wide data to conflict what we see from them in Australia. With black people there is world wide data, and what we see is that what holds true in the US population does not hold true world wide. One might assume that if Aboriginal Austrians were less concentrated the same would hold true, but we can't really say for sure. It's still pretty good evidence of the point of the OP. Or at least the point that the causes of most of these issues are not genetic.
What the research above is looking at is a minority group that is disenfranchised in the American context. The author is saying that being subject to racism, causes genetic changes that lead to inflammation and illness. Similar research has been done in other groups that have experienced different types of trauma with the same results. The trauma we experience in life has a physiological, as well as psychological, impact on our health and wellbeing.

African Americans are not global, they live out their lives in an American socio-economic and political landscape. If some kind of global comparison was necessary, I would be looking more toward the impact of stressors on the health of other disenfranchised minority groups.

The reason I find this research interesting is not for the kind of trauma discussed, ie racism, or the control group, but for the impact of all trauma on all people. There is a growing body of research that suggests trauma leads to auto-immune diseases of the central nervous system and in its long-form this research fits right in there.

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Post by Cat's Paw » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:23 pm

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A rhetorical question. The answer is self-apparent.
Yep sadly we rely on analytics and identity politics to win elections instead of trying to problem solve, we can't talk about how and why the Asians succeed without being accused of victim blaming by a coveted voting block.
Success does not need problem solving. Poverty does.

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Post by GuideToACrazyWorld » Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:02 pm

JAF wrote:
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The reason I find this research interesting is not for the kind of trauma discussed, ie racism, or the control group, but for the impact of all trauma on all people. There is a growing body of research that suggests trauma leads to auto-immune diseases of the central nervous system and in its long-form this research fits right in there.
Yes and actual changes to DNA particularly for offspring. It's still an emerging field but very interesting

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Re: Racism shortens lives and hurts health of blacks by promoting genes that lead to inflammation and illness

Post by scarab280 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:00 am

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Most medical issues that are pointed to as "black" issues don't hold true world wide and are often mostly only true in the US population. The US-centrict view of our reporting really confuses facts often.
We could talk about Aboriginal Australians, the same disparities exist. Canadian Aboriginals, same. British West Indians, same disparities in standard of living indicators.

Unless of course, I am not interpreting your comment correctly.
Indeed, and Maori in this country, NZ also. I was just reading a study the other day initiated by the Ministry of Health, albeit a little old, on the disparity between Maori health outcomes and Pakeha. Institutional racism was also cited as a major factor.
On another note, we have just 'celebrated' the anniversary of Captain Cook landing and 'discovering' NZ, before colonising it for Britain. It has caused some argument, of course, as during this process, Cook murdered many Maori, pillaged land, and his crew raped many a Wahine, (some of which were undoubtedly my children's ancestors), it was not uncommon for particularly higher ranked crew to 'claim' a young wahine (Maori woman) they 'fancied' as their own personal slave for sex, cooking them food, etc etc... and then of course later, the Treaty of Waitangi was drawn up. We are still making reparation to Maori over that, as they were by and large, duped out of massive blocks of land, duped yes, because they were 'traded' articles and weapons that they had no prior experience of or understanding of the value of such things.

Colonisation was the birthplace of systemic racism in this country. Plain and simple.

The indigenous people of Hawaii, had the good sense to take Cook out, for those very reasons, when he landed there and intended to colonise their land.
As a mother of multiracial children I am more than well aware of the existence of racism, on a societal, ingrained level today. My children are part Maori, in fact their whakapapa, their tribe, is from the very place Captain Cook first made landfall here. They also happen to be from an extremely wealthy Maori whanau - family - (on their father's side), and regardless of their lineage affording them superior monetary status to a lot of others, they both still, have been victims of racism multiple tlmes in their lives, even though they are fair skinned, once it is known they are of Maori heritage... racism has occurred. That, in itself is a very clear example of ingrained racism in a particular society.

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Post by JAF » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:20 am

scarab280 wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:00 am
JAF wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:30 pm
GuideToACrazyWorld wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:26 am
Most medical issues that are pointed to as "black" issues don't hold true world wide and are often mostly only true in the US population. The US-centrict view of our reporting really confuses facts often.
We could talk about Aboriginal Australians, the same disparities exist. Canadian Aboriginals, same. British West Indians, same disparities in standard of living indicators.

Unless of course, I am not interpreting your comment correctly.
Indeed, and Maori in this country, NZ also. I was just reading a study the other day initiated by the Ministry of Health, albeit a little old, on the disparity between Maori health outcomes and Pakeha. Institutional racism was also cited as a major factor.
On another note, we have just 'celebrated' the anniversary of Captain Cook landing and 'discovering' NZ, before colonising it for Britain. It has caused some argument, of course, as during this process, Cook murdered many Maori, pillaged land, and his crew raped many a Wahine, (some of which were undoubtedly my children's ancestors), it was not uncommon for particularly higher ranked crew to 'claim' a young wahine (Maori woman) they 'fancied' as their own personal slave for sex, cooking them food, etc etc... and then of course later, the Treaty of Waitangi was drawn up. We are still making reparation to Maori over that, as they were by and large, duped out of massive blocks of land, duped yes, because they were 'traded' articles and weapons that they had no prior experience of or understanding of the value of such things.

Colonisation was the birthplace of systemic racism in this country. Plain and simple.

The indigenous people of Hawaii, had the good sense to take Cook out, for those very reasons, when he landed there and intended to colonise their land.
As a mother of multiracial children I am more than well aware of the existence of racism, on a societal, ingrained level today. My children are part Maori, in fact their whakapapa, their tribe, is from the very place Captain Cook first made landfall here. They also happen to be from an extremely wealthy Maori whanau - family - (on their father's side), and regardless of their lineage affording them superior monetary status to a lot of others, they both still, have been victims of racism multiple tlmes in their lives, even though they are fair skinned, once it is known they are of Maori heritage... racism has occurred. That, in itself is a very clear example of ingrained racism in a particular society.
Racism is certainly woven into the fabric of Australian society, and I don't think that things are much better for Maoris in NZ. Although, Maori and Pacific Islander kids are subject to less racism here than Aboriginal kids, that's not to say it's smooth sailing. It goes back to that idea of the noble vs ignoble savage. The Indigenous people of NZ were considered more civilised because they marked out the land and had forms of organisation that were more familiar to the British than they found in Australia.

I have nieces who have a Maori father. We are very close, in fact, my husband and I have basically raised them. Although they are clever and have lots of friends, both girls struggled to find their own identity. They reached a point in their maturation where they felt they did not belong because of their skin colour. They just wanted to be like everyone else and blend in. People would ask me "what are they?", I always replied "beautiful".

I could talk about colonisation and it's lasting impact all day long. As you would be aware, we were taught the British version of Australian history at school here until recent times. When I started Uni and began to study the real story of colonisation in Australia I was hooked for life. I realised quickly that the view I had about who I was as an Aussie, and what Australia was as a nation, was very wrong.

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Post by Eryk » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:09 pm

JAF wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:01 pm
tck62 wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:30 pm
He said Blacks on average had a genetic advantage that makes them better athletes. It's one of those common knowledge things we can't talk about.
I don't think it's a "common knowledge" thing, perhaps one of those things that people assume without giving a lot of thought to the full picture.

Gary Sailes has been exploring this question for decades, in one of this first published articles he writes "What accounts for the overwhelming successs of the Black athelete in American sport in the past few decades? This is a very legitimate question to raise about the sports world today, in that Black Americans constitute only 12% of the population in the United States yet are overrepresented in collegiate and professional sport. For example, Black athelets represent 21% of professional baseball players, 73% of the athletes participating in the National Basketball Association, and 57% of athletes participating in the National Football League (Coakley, 1990). In major college sports, approximately 60% of the basketball players and 37% of the football players are Black (American Institutes for Research, 1990). However, white this is true, the converse is also true. Blacks are scarcely represented in the intercollegiate or professional sports of tennis, golf, and ice hockey, or in Olympic skiing, gymnastics, and figure skating.

Many researchers and authors have attempted to explain this phenomenon from a number of scientific perspectives. The most revealing and credible explanations emanate from sports sociologists. They claim that specific socialization patterns that include a lack of Black role models, inadequate coaching, absent or inadequate facilities, and the presence of institutionalized discrimination and racisim may prevent many Blacks from participating in some sports, forcing them to aggregate their numbers in those sports where these barriers are not present and where sports are housed in public facilities and are susidized by public funding (Coakley, 1990)."
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2784690?se ... b_contents

Sailes writes elsewhere that some Black athletes have a physiological advantage over some White athletes, however, such does not hold true across the board and the measured advantage is negligible, and not existant without nurturing and proper training.
Those people are over thinking it. Blacks are superior because of the slave trade. It’s called eugenics. Hitler tried it out. America participated for like 100 years. The weak slaves died on the boats which strengthened the gene pool. The slave owners treated blacks like animals and bred their best slaves. Further strengthening the gene pool.

The reason blacks are over represented is because they are superior. That’s it. No more. Nothing to do with how they were raised or role models. Like @tck62 said. It’s a common knowledge thing we’re not supposed to talk about.

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Post by Eryk » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:14 pm

tck62 wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:49 pm
JAF wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:41 pm
So African Americans were only "bred" to participate in sports where certain "barriers are not present and where sports are housed in public facilities and are susidized by public funding".
You're impossible, they weren't "bred" for sports, this was hundreds of years ago, it's just a kind of good karma for the hell their ancestors went through.
Whoops...you literally took the words from my mouth.

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Post by tck62 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:29 pm

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Although they are clever and have lots of friends, both girls struggled to find their own identity. They reached a point in their maturation where they felt they did not belong because of their skin colour.
Hence the reason Dr. King fought so hard to make the measure of how we perceive others by the content of their characters, teaching that it's who we are on the inside that matters. This is literally the only viable goal of a society. However it doesn't help anyone to win elections using analytics. To do that we need to subdivide everyone into identifiable groups and target them with legislation, hence the concept of embrace the diversity which is the exact opposite of what Dr. King was trying to do, it teaches we're all different because of our skin color, basically agreeing with the racists, that a person's skin color influences their life experiences and they will bring different things to the table and hence these traits should be looked at when making hiring decisions, getting into college or who to vote for. This works well to use analytics to win elections but it leads to a horribly divided society where people get labeled and categorized by their skin color and not their personal accomplishments and character traits.

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Post by JAF » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:28 pm

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Hence the reason Dr. King fought so hard to make the measure of how we perceive others by the content of their characters, teaching that it's who we are on the inside that matters. This is literally the only viable goal of a society. However it doesn't help anyone to win elections using analytics. To do that we need to subdivide everyone into identifiable groups and target them with legislation, hence the concept of embrace the diversity which is the exact opposite of what Dr. King was trying to do, it teaches we're all different because of our skin color, basically agreeing with the racists, that a person's skin color influences their life experiences and they will bring different things to the table and hence these traits should be looked at when making hiring decisions, getting into college or who to vote for. This works well to use analytics to win elections but it leads to a horribly divided society where people get labeled and categorized by their skin color and not their personal accomplishments and character traits.
I am not trying to win an election, I was having a conversation with Scarab around a shared experience.

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Whoops...you literally took the words from my mouth.
I note that you are unable to back up the claims you made earlier.

If you are going to pick at people, be prepared to back your own statements up.

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Post by JAF » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:31 pm

Eryk wrote:
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Those people are over thinking it. Blacks are superior because of the slave trade. It’s called eugenics. Hitler tried it out. America participated for like 100 years. The weak slaves died on the boats which strengthened the gene pool. The slave owners treated blacks like animals and bred their best slaves. Further strengthening the gene pool.

The reason blacks are over represented is because they are superior. That’s it. No more. Nothing to do with how they were raised or role models. Like @tck62 said. It’s a common knowledge thing we’re not supposed to talk about.
Newsflash, eugenics was debunked decades ago.

We don't tolerate that kind of racist ideology on this channel.

Move on or I will move you on myself.

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JAF wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:28 pm
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Hence the reason Dr. King fought so hard to make the measure of how we perceive others by the content of their characters, teaching that it's who we are on the inside that matters. This is literally the only viable goal of a society. However it doesn't help anyone to win elections using analytics. To do that we need to subdivide everyone into identifiable groups and target them with legislation, hence the concept of embrace the diversity which is the exact opposite of what Dr. King was trying to do, it teaches we're all different because of our skin color, basically agreeing with the racists, that a person's skin color influences their life experiences and they will bring different things to the table and hence these traits should be looked at when making hiring decisions, getting into college or who to vote for. This works well to use analytics to win elections but it leads to a horribly divided society where people get labeled and categorized by their skin color and not their personal accomplishments and character traits.
I am not trying to win an election, I was having a conversation with Scarab around a shared experience.
I was simply pointing out what contributed to that experience and what was going to make your experience even more common and worse in the future.

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Post by JAF » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:35 pm

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You're impossible, they weren't "bred" for sports, this was hundreds of years ago, it's just a kind of good karma for the hell their ancestors went through.
Tck, you and your buddies will not be setting up camp on this channel. Period!

If you want to promote ideas that are built on a racist ideology you are going to need to find another channel to do it on.

And I will add, you will not be moving me on in the same way you have the other people who find you abhorrent.

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Post by tck62 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:48 pm

JAF wrote:
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tck62 wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:49 pm
You're impossible, they weren't "bred" for sports, this was hundreds of years ago, it's just a kind of good karma for the hell their ancestors went through.
Tck, you and your buddies will not be setting up camp on this channel. Period!

If you want to promote ideas that are built on a racist ideology you are going to need to find another channel to do it on.

And I will add, you will not be moving me on in the same way you have the other people who find you abhorrent.
JAF in absolutely no way shape or form am I promoting a racist ideology, your accusation is flat out insulting. Please apologize.

Racism disgusts me as well as the people who make it worse by exploiting it's existence for partisan interest.

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Re: Racism shortens lives and hurts health of blacks by promoting genes that lead to inflammation and illness

Post by JAF » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:12 pm

tck62 wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:48 pm
JAF wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:35 pm
tck62 wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:49 pm
You're impossible, they weren't "bred" for sports, this was hundreds of years ago, it's just a kind of good karma for the hell their ancestors went through.
Tck, you and your buddies will not be setting up camp on this channel. Period!

If you want to promote ideas that are built on a racist ideology you are going to need to find another channel to do it on.

And I will add, you will not be moving me on in the same way you have the other people who find you abhorrent.
JAF in absolutely no way shape or form am I promoting a racist ideology, your accusation is flat out insulting. Please apologize.

Racism disgusts me as well as the people who make it worse by exploiting it's existence for partisan interest.
Then I suggest you go off and do some reading and widen your knowledge base.

In the meantime, quit with the debunked myths and the eugenics.

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Re: Racism shortens lives and hurts health of blacks by promoting genes that lead to inflammation and illness

Post by Eryk » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:17 pm

JAF wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:31 pm
Newsflash, eugenics was debunked decades ago.

We don't tolerate that kind of racist ideology on this channel.

Move on or I will move you on myself.
Im not promoting eugenics. As far as I know the theories and/or experiments of Charles Darwin and Gregor Mendel “father of genetics” haven’t been debunked and are still being taught in Biology classrooms across the world.

However, you’re the boss here so I’m going to shut up about this topic and now I know that Biology is off limits on this channel.

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Re: Racism shortens lives and hurts health of blacks by promoting genes that lead to inflammation and illness

Post by tck62 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:55 pm

JAF wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:12 pm
tck62 wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:48 pm
JAF wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:35 pm


Tck, you and your buddies will not be setting up camp on this channel. Period!

If you want to promote ideas that are built on a racist ideology you are going to need to find another channel to do it on.

And I will add, you will not be moving me on in the same way you have the other people who find you abhorrent.
JAF in absolutely no way shape or form am I promoting a racist ideology, your accusation is flat out insulting. Please apologize.

Racism disgusts me as well as the people who make it worse by exploiting it's existence for partisan interest.
Then I suggest you go off and do some reading and widen your knowledge base.

In the meantime, quit with the debunked myths and the eugenics.
Eugenics has absolutely nothing to do with the concept.

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Re: Racism shortens lives and hurts health of blacks by promoting genes that lead to inflammation and illness

Post by TruthSeeker » Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:04 am

tck62 wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:27 am
Tck: “It would appear it's just more and more people are trying to blame racism when it's really economic inequality that is at play...”

That appearance to you is based on what?

Tck: “the 1% has a vested interest in steering us into race based assumptions instead of economic based recognition's in case Go forbid the public starts insisting we bring back our labor unions and crack down on the foreign workers.”

You’re getting a bit sidetracked. This article is about discussing health effects potentially associated with racism. The cause of racism is a separate issue. Surely you can’t possibly be implying racism doesn’t exist.

Tck: 'In a follow-up to their groundbreaking 2015 work, they say that a lack of steady, well-paying jobs for whites without college degrees has caused pain, distress and social dysfunction to build up over time. The mortality rate for that group, ages 45 to 54, increased by a half percent...”

Again, this article is looking at underlying cause. Just because some study showed that white people died at a statistically insignificant higher rate doesn’t mean black people don’t have health problems that can often be led back to racism. People can be poor for a variety of reasons. I agree that poverty can surely decrease health. But, different people are poor for different reasons.

Tck: “Sorry JAF it's not the skin color it's the lack of green. “

Well, why are they poor?

Tck62: “The sooner we can throw off the corporate propaganda steering us to see race...”

Well, perhaps. But racism has been around for a long time. It’s not new and the effects of it aren’t new. Perhaps some invisible hand creating problems
isn’t actually racist. But some ordinary people are. It’s not a made up boogeyman.

Corporations in the US are mainly ran by white men. You’re going around saying that white men are conspiring against people of color to keep them down but it’s not based on race at all? Race is no factor whatsoever?

It’s no coincidence that the only people saying, or in your case implying, that racism doesn’t exist are white men. That’s a real conspiracy with a real agenda that doesn’t seem to be on your radar.

Tck: “...get all the poor Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, Asians and Natives to look around and see we're all riding in the same boat the better.”

Yeah...ummm... we’re all people and all have value and should be treated equally, but we’re not riding in the same boat. For the most part only one group of those listed has purposely tried to exclude the others in mass (in the US). Of those others were allowed in the same boat then there wouldn’t be so many racists.

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Re: Racism shortens lives and hurts health of blacks by promoting genes that lead to inflammation and illness

Post by TruthSeeker » Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:11 am

tck62 wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:48 pm
Racism disgusts me as well as the people who make it worse by exploiting it's existence for partisan interest.
Whoa...what? Something disgusts you that doesn’t exist or did you just admit to exploiting racism for partisan interest? I thought you said earlier it was just a corporate concoction. So confusing when you keep spinning things around.

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